It is no longer necessary for you to ask for forgiveness for your sins. In fact, it insults the finished work of Jesus on the cross when we do ask. It implies that the matter isn’t finished although Jesus clearly said that “it is finished.” Doesn’t the New Testament teach that we are to still ask for God’s forgiveness? This is where it becomes important to “rightly divide the word.”
When did the new covenant of grace begin in the Bible? Many would say it started at the beginning of Matthew, yet the covenant did not actually start until the death of Jesus. The covenant of grace was the last will and testament of Jesus Christ. The age of grace could not become operative until Jesus died. The writer of Hebrews said:
For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives (Hebrews 9:16-17).
Both Scripture and common knowledge demonstrate that a will does not become functional until the one who made it dies. Given that fact, which covenant was in operation during the whole lifetime of Jesus? Of course it was the covenant of law. Jesus lived under the Old Testament. (The words "testament and "covenant" mean the same thing.)
Remember that the purpose of law is to raise the awareness of sin among those who embrace it. (See Romans 5:20) Living under the covenant of law, the words of Jesus often reflected that covenant. Such is the case when he discussed the matter of forgiveness. In Matthew 6:12, when responding to his disciples’ inquiry about how to pray, concerning forgiveness he said, “And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.” He elaborates on forgiveness under the law system in verses 14-15 by saying, “For if you forgive men for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men, then your Father will not forgive you your transgressions.” This was the law in action — if you want God to do something for you, then you must first do something to cause Him to act in your behalf. Under law, if there is even one person whom you have not forgiven, then you can’t be fully forgiven yourself. If you aren’t fully forgiven, you have no hope of heaven.
When asked about forgiveness, Jesus answered according to the law. Yet in His personal relationships, he always acted in grace. An example of His approach is illustrated by the woman in John 8 who was caught in the act of adultery. When the scribes and Pharisees pointed out that the law of Moses commanded that adulterers be stoned, Jesus didn’t dispute the law. He simply suggested that their application of the law include themselves. After His challenge that the sinless one among them cast the first stone, the crowd dispersed until no one was left except the woman who had been caught.
Having acknowledged the validity of the law at that moment, he went on to demonstrate gracious forgiveness toward the woman by asking, “‘Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you? And she answered, ‘No one, Lord.’ And Jesus said, ‘Neither do I condemn you; go your way. From now on sin no more.’” This incident is so typical of the Lord Jesus during His earthly ministry. He utilized the law to raise the awareness of sin and then demonstrated grace by His own behavior.
Under the covenant of law, one was not totally forgiven but must receive ongoing forgiveness in order to remain in a guilt free state. Yet at the cross, God poured out all His forgiveness toward those who are His. We don’t need to ask anymore! Paul described total forgiveness in Colossians 2:13-14.
And when you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Because of His finished work at the cross you have been acquitted for the sins of a lifetime! If you believe that your sins are still being forgiven one at a time as you ask for forgiveness, a troubling question must be answered. What happens if you die with just one sin in your life which you haven’t thought to ask Him to forgive? The truth of Scripture is that before we were ever born, God saw our lives and identified every sin that we would commit. The “certificate of debt” is a list of the sins of our lifetime. Jesus carried those sins to the cross with Him and God canceled the debt. Every sin of our lifetime has been forgiven — past, present, and future! The empty tomb put a smile on the face of God which has never gone away.
Are you still living as if you were under the Old Testament by constantly asking for God’s forgiveness? Those days are over and finished! Rejoice in the truth that you are totally forgiven. The old covenant is forever gone. The writer of Hebrews said:
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. For finding fault with them, He says, “Behold, days are coming, says the lord, When I will effect a new covenant, With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah; Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand To lead them out of the land of egypt; for they did not continue in my covenant, and I did not care for them, says the lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, After those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds, And I will write them upon their hearts. And I will be their God,
And they shall be my people. And they shall not teach everyone his fellow citizen, and everyone his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ For all shall know me, From the least to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their iniquities, And I will remember their sins no more (Hebrews 8:7-12).
The day described in this passage is the day in which we live! When grace rules, we will see God as One who has forgiven us for every sin of our lifetime! The cross of Jesus was God’s final word about our sins. So let's stop acting like it wasn't by continuing to ask Him to do something He's already done - forgive us.
Wednesday, February 24, 2010
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Thanks so much for posting this Steve. This has been a huge question mark in my mind as I have been going through ADT at Gracelife. I am so hungry to learn more about this God that I can have a relationship with instead of having an unhealthy fear of. I am thankful for the simplicity of your teaching that allows me to grasp the truth you are teaching! I hear you are coming to our class next week. I look forward to meeting you! Grace and pecs to you. Tandy
ReplyDeleteJesus said from the cross, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Forgiveness was freely granted to those for whom Jesus prayed WITHOUT THEM EVEN ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS. In Isaiah 43:25a, God says: “I, even I, am the One Who wipes out your transgressions for MY OWN SAKE” For HIS sake - doesn’t that just blow your mind?
ReplyDeleteAs Bill Gillham of Lifetime Guarantee Ministries said (paraphrasing): Continuing to ask God to forgive you is like asking your wife to marry you over and over again.
ReplyDeleteHoo boy. I posted a link to this on Facebook and am getting some fiery responses!! Thanks, Steve :-D
ReplyDeletegood thoughts Steve!
ReplyDeleteI've a sincere question. You said, "If you believe that your sins are still being forgiven one at a time as you ask for forgiveness, a troubling question must be answered. What happens if you die with just one sin in your life which you haven’t thought to ask Him to forgive?"
ReplyDeleteThe Old Testament believers were saved by grace also by looking forward to the cross, while we on the other hand look backwards right?
How does that apply what you said to Old Covenant believer?
Freshwind - I apologize but I'm not clear what you're asking. Can you reword it and let me try again? Maybe I've had a long day and am braindead. :) I know the question has something to do with how OT saints were forgiven? Or have I missed that part?
ReplyDeleteI realize all our sins are already forgiven. However, isn't it important to us, experientially, in the process of relationship, to acknowledge when we do wrong and ask for forgiveness not as if asking all over again or as if asking for sins one by one, but just as part of the ongoing relationship? We say to one another, "I was wrong, I'm sorry, please forgive me" when we screw up with one another -- we do it in the context of relationship NOT because we fear the relationship will be taken away if we don't, but in love, because we honor that relationship. Are you saying that's not valid either?
ReplyDeleteGood question, Moriah. A point to consider is that "to acknowledge when we do wrong and to ask for forgiveness" are two separate and very different actions. We do acknowledge when we've sinned but we don't do it to get forgiveness. We admit it because the only other option is to try to conceal the sin and that's not consistent with our very nature in Christ. So, yes, we do admit it. I think it's totally appropriate to say, "Father, I am so sorry I just did that! Obviously, I was trying to get some kind of self perceived need met by what I did. But I know that YOU are the only one who can meet my needs. Teach me from what I just did so that I won't do it again! And thank you that my sins are all already forgiven, Father. No condemnation comes from you and I'm not going to take on any either! Thanks so much for your forgiveness that has come to me by your grace. It's awesome." That's a "sample prayer" of what I might say.
ReplyDeleteI think the danger of "asking for forgiveness" is that even though we may say that we know we are already forgiven, the words we speak aren't benign. They mean something and often either introduce a viewpoint or reinforce an existing one - in this case, a faulty viewpoint. Why would we ask for something if we truly know we already have it. Seems to me that the better and more constructive thing is to simply say "thank you" and rest in the reality that it's already a done deal. To ask is, at some level, a self-directed lesson/message that we don't truly have forgiveness.
Finally, if Jesus has indeed dealt with ALL our sins in totality and if "it is finished" as He said, then it seems that the best way to honor the relationship is to say words that affirm the reality of His finished work and not say words that sound as if they undermine the objective reality of what He has done.
I hear from people who accuse me of making a mountain out of a molehill on this, but I think it's important because, as I've said, words mean something. So let's say what we really mean.
Make sense?
It makes sense, it's just somewhat counter-intuitive to me. In human relationships we have to ask for forgiveness because the other party needs the opportunity to choose whether they will forgive us or not. As human beings we need to make that choice with one another, it is not automatic and it would be rude to assume/presume on someone else's "graces" in that sense. With God, what I hear you saying is that it's OK to count ourselves already forgiven, since we were forgiven completely at the Cross, so instead of saying, "Lord, I'm sorry I did that!! Please forgive me!!" it would be more appropriate to say something like, "Lord, I'm sorry I did that -- thank You for Your forgiveness" -- ?? Or "Lord I know what I just did there was wrong of me. Thank You that You have already forgiven me in Christ, and please help me learn what I need to learn so that I won't feel the need to do that again" -- ??
ReplyDeleteExactly. And I think you make a good point, that we tend to view our relationship to God as being similar to our relationship to other people. Thankfully, there are vast differences. It's an amazing reality that nothing we ever do or don't do changes anything in the Father's heart or attitude toward us. Sin against other people and their emotions/attitude toward us will change to some degree, however slightly and short-lived. That's not true with God though.
ReplyDeleteSin can change our perception of how He sees us, but has no effect whatsoever on how He actually does see us. The core of our sins isn't that we've committed some moral infraction against Him and now He's queasy about looking at us in that "nasty condition." The heart of sins is that sin hurts us and our Father rushes to us to show us that and to deliver us before we hurt ourselves any further. His concern isn't with sin. It's with US and for that reason, He doesn't want to see us give ourselves to sin because it will definitely hurt us. This whole grace thing really is "amazing." :)
Instead of asking forgiveness I like to admit I'm wrong, acknowledge I've sinned, confess it to God and thank Him I'm forgiven by the Lord already through the finished work of Calvary 2000 years before. I like to talk to God and thank Him for grace to see how I'm corrected by His Voice from the wrong to what I coud have done right the first time with His grace and help.
ReplyDeletewe are created to be a very goodness, our sin nature or our sin turns us away from our very goodness, but in no way changes the essence of our very goodness. sin or not our essence remains the same, so our identity remains the same. when paul said to speak on uplifting things to or about another he was saying always speak to the essence we are created.
ReplyDeletewhen we sin the greatest distraction of our sin is that it distracts from our true identity to sell us a lie that our essence has now become our sin. nothing can be further from the truth.
Totally agree but when ever I talk to someone about it they use 1 john 1:9 on me. I never know what to say any ideas?
ReplyDeleteSteve,
ReplyDeleteI love much of your material, but I have to disagree with you my friend on this one.
It does not insult the finished work of Jesus on the cross when we ask for forgiveness. I don't think you're looking at confession correctly if that's what you believe.
God wants us to ask. He wants us to ask for many things. Jesus modeled it when He taught us how to pray.
Here's another way to look at it. My children rely on my grace as their provider (food, clothing, shelter, etc.).
They have complete confidence that I am going to give them what they need to cover them. Yet when they need or want something, I expect them to ask and say thank you when it is given. Will I not feed them if they don't ask? Of course I will still feed them. But asking and responding is a normal part of any relationship.
When we ask God for forgiveness or daily bread He already knows our need and has already made provision for it. Asking helps our walk with our heavenly father.
Asking for forgiveness for sins we have committed allows time for contemplation and for the Holy Spirit to speak to us. It actually refreshes our spirit to remember on a daily basis the grace which covers us (and what in particular it has actually covered).
I think people get confused on the asking for forgiveness because it begins to look like works. Works done to earn forgiveness. But asking could only really be a work if the asking were able to merit the forgiveness. And of course we know that we can't earn forgiveness.
Asking for the forgiveness doesn't "earn" the forgiveness any more than my son asking for a slice of fresh baked bread somehow earns him that bread. "Mom, can I have a slice of that bread?" "Why yes you can, I baked it just for you." "Thanks Mom."
This grace relationship cannot be viewed in a strictly linear cause-and-effect manner. Gratitude flows out of grace and draws our heart. We ask for the mercy God has already prepared for us. Which in turn draws us deeper in causing us to continue that grateful conversation of asking and receiving.
I'm right with you as an anti-legalism crusader but I don't believe confessing sins and asking for forgiveness is legalism.
imeasure (who are you? I can't find your name on your profile or even your blog),
ReplyDeleteI appreciate your affirmation of the things I've written and certainly don't have a problem with disagreement over this issue. This issue of asking for forgiveness is one of the most often debated matters I teach.
I do think you've made some assumptions that aren't biblical though. For instance, you suggest that God "wants us to ask" for forgiveness. I don't find biblical evidence of that. The "model prayer" of Jesus was spoken under the old covenant. The Apostle Paul would later tell us that we now have everything we need in Christ Jesus. Jesus also said that there will be no forgiveness from the Father unless we extend it to others. He also talked about plucking our eyes out, etc. But all those things were to an audience living under the Old Covenant. It's different now.
The comparison with your children and food,etc. breaks down because your children indeed won't have food unless you provide it. They know you will because you love them, but they don't actually have it until you give it to them.
In Christ, we've been given what we need already. I've not met people who think asking for forgiveness is a work, but I take your word for it that you have. Asking for forgiveness that we already have suggests that we don't know we DO have it. Should we also ask for salvation even though we really know that actually do have it already. Since forgiveness is one aspect of salvation and receiving His life is the other, should we ask Him to give us His life even though we know we really already have it?
I'm not trying to be argumentative with my response. I just want to make my position clear to others who read. Words mean something. To ask for forgiveness if we already have it is to suggest that it isn't really finished, as Jesus said, and is an insult to Him. Why don't we ask Him for other things He has already given us? Why stop at forgiveness? Why not ask Him to give us His love? His salvation? His presence with us? If He has given us these things and we believe Him when He says He has, the only thing left for us to do is to thank Him.
I think the misunderstanding comes because we often (as you have) try to draw comparisons between human relationships and the Agape love of our Father, when those comparisons often don't line up with each other. The relationship God has with us is different in many ways from any human relationship we'll ever have.
Again, please be assured I'm not trying to be belligerent in my response. It's just that I know others who read these posts may still be formulating their own opinions and I feel strongly about this one :)
Thanks for your comments. I do believe there's value in this type discussion.
Hi Steve,
ReplyDeleteAny chance you can still answer Jeff's question, which is mine too:
Jeff said...
Totally agree but when ever I talk to someone about it they use 1 john 1:9 on me. I never know what to say any ideas?
Jason and Jeff - I'm not dodging this question. I've actually taught on it numerous times, but to write a blog on it is time-consuming and I don't have that time right now. I will write something on it asap.
ReplyDeleteIn brief, my viewpoint on 1 John 1:9 is that the verse wasn't directed to Christians. John was writing to a mixed audience. There were the believers and there were the Gnostics who sought to confuse and lead the believers astray. John was speaking to the Gnostics in verse nine, not those who are believers. If 1 John 1:9 in any way indicated that there are moments in the lives of Christians that we stand in unforgiveness, then there are many, many other verses in the NT that would be untrue.
That's the short of it, but I promise I will write a fuller, more complete explanation of my view when I have the time.
Steve - you're awesome! Thanks, I will look forward to seeing more...no rush at all, I really appreciate you getting back to Jeff and I, as this one verse has had me a bit perplexed.
ReplyDeleteI am a pastor of a church in a college town called Isla Vista, located right next to UCSB. I want to thank you for your books on Grace, as God has had me teaching on this topic this last month and I am using stuff from them. It's one of the greatest things seeing people get free from learning about grace and Christ living through them.
Again, thanks for all you do! God is using it in Isla Vista!
Blessings, Jason
There is a really good explanation here http://www.realanswers.net/realaudio/forgiveness.htm
ReplyDeleteIt is pretty much agreed from the sites I have found that 1 John was written in response to Gnostics who were mixed in with the Christians (Gnostics thought they were Christians so they were mixed in all together). The letters were read aloud to everyone there. Gnostics didn't believe in sin... they thought it was an illusion. http://www.newageinfo.com/gnostic-gospels-quantum-physics.htm
When I read 1 John in light of that (historical context), everything started to make sense. The whole gospel started to make sense to me... and why it was such good news! I don't think its wrong to acknowledge sin (which is what confess really means) to God as we are aware of it, but to think it's for forgiveness, and that we can go in and out of relationship with him, basically every day if we don't (because we sin everyday, whether in thought, deed, or by not doing something loving we should of done), seems to go against the whole of the NT.
I've never felt so free to love others and give grace and mercy, because of this beautiful gift that has been given to me, that I do not deserve. When I mixed law and grace, I was miserable... always wondering if i was in or out today with God, because of maybe some forgotten sin. It will truly change the way you live if this message is fully realized.
Hi my name is Isak and I am from Sweden. I happen to come by this discussion when I searched for this subject on the Internet.
ReplyDeleteSteve I want to thank you for sharing your thoughts about forgiveness and about Christ. I think you ask good questions and formulate it well. Your argument have been in my mind for some days now, and I disagree with some of your conclusions.
The teaching that Christians don't need to ask for forgiveness has two problems in my view. First problem is that it contradicts what Christians have believed ever since the early church, if I am not mistaken. The prayers for forgiveness is and have been an important part in both church service and Christians teaching. For all I know there have been no major debate about this subject in our Christian history (though I must admit I haven´t studied church history). If our asking for forgiveness has been wrong then I wonder why the Holy Spirit haven´t corrected us earlier – it seem to be his mission (Joh. 16:13).
The second problem is your conclusion about the forgiveness in Matthew 6. If you are right then the prayer is to be considered to have parts that is “out-of-date” so to say. But why would Jesus teach his disciples to pray the prayer if they are not to use it in their Christian life? I agree that Jesus words about forgiveness in verse 14-15 (this teaching also seem to be elaborated in 18:35) seems to be a part of God´s laws in action. But would a Christian who died and failed to forgive an other person that is in his debt be sentenced to Hell? I hope not, but rather I think such Christian might not need forgiveness, since his/her sins will not be accounted because of Christ´s blood. Should we forgive others and ask God for forgiveness, despite that we probably will fail to accomplish it fully, and in the end don't need to? My answer would be yes, because Jesus told us so.
There are one other biblical teaching that also is hard for us to completely accomplish, and yet very important, and that is the one about the seed that needs to die to give life (Joh. 12:24-25). We can try to deny our self and to starve our sinful habits, but in the end it wont be enough to grant us salvation. Dose this mean that we no longer practice the teaching of the seed? I think it still is an illustration on how Christians should follow Christ.
My idea on why Christians should ask for forgiveness are close to what imeasure wrote earlier in this discussion. The prayer for forgiveness seem to be an part of the work of sanctification, to keep an repenting heart and a right relationship with God. Even if Christ righteousness is very much sufficient for us, we still seem to need to return in prayer to be cleansed by his forgiveness:
“In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness. “ (Zech 13:1).
“Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. (Heb 10:22).
This cleaning service by praying for forgiveness reminds me when Jesus washed his disciples foots. Even if they were all clean by Jesus words they still needed their foots to be washed (Joh. 13:10). How this two statements that seem to contradict each others go together might be an mystery – an paradox. When God sees upon us he probably notice both sins and Christ righteousness, and the first one are the object for his washing here on earth. Do we need to be perfectly “washed” to be earned a place in heaven? Of course not, it seem to be an matter of sanctification.
I think a lot of the confusion is coming from describing OT events and stories and the fact that we are trying to relate our relationships here on earth with our relationship with Jesus inside us. Jesus intimately lives inside us unlike our earthly relationships...at the end of the day someone you know (whether child, friend, or spouse) goes to sleep and your engagement/friendship/marriage with them rests. With Jesus living inside us through His Spirit, the engagement never ends whether we acknowledge this or not.
ReplyDeletePeople all over the world have experience so much freedom knowing their sins are forgiven (past, present and future) and that the Christian life is nothing less than the life and activity of Christ inside them (Col. 1:27). So I think this debate really ends at where you see yourself...whether you are acknowledging who you are in Christ now or if you are still considering yourself any less than the righteousness of Christ. ...again it's not "I but Christ."
There is a boldness and freedom that comes from this message of forgiveness because it alleviates us to stay sin/self centered and frees us to stay in awe of Jesus living through us/with us/as us while He partners with us.
There is so much more to be focused on then when we mess up and what to do with that...seriously! Jesus wants to heal, save, deliver, set free, provide, draw His people near to Him...through us sharing life together with Jesus!!! NOW! ...
...I am sorry but I have stopped my little bedtime forgiveness prayers because I am free and dead to sin, dead to my old man, and dead to the law/merited system of religion and bondage.
I talk to people all the time about this and you either live on one side or the other...-> Christ centered and free or Sin and Self Centered Defeated!
Let's Praise Jesus and live life with Him now! Jesus wants to trust us with the Great Commission, the abundant life, and the preparation for His Wedding with us-HIS HOLY BRIDE!!!
Tyler – Greetings. You say you are free from sin, but I disagree. Even an Christian who have been born again into a new creation in Christ have to struggle with the sin in his/her flesh (the apostle Paul did read Romans 7). As we walk in this life our “feets” get dirty by our deeds and thoughts, and if we deny this we would deceive ourselves:
ReplyDelete“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. ” (1 Joh. 2:8)
Christ urged his disciples to remain in him by keeping his commandment, remain in his love, and to keep his words. I think we do wrong if we “neglect” Jesus words about asking for forgiveness in his prayer because of a certain theology. Remember that Jesus words are the foundation which we are to build our lives on.
The asking for forgiveness might well be an part of keeping an right repenting heart (which I elaborated in my reply in this thread some weeks ago). If you keep to an strictly legal view of Christ and don´t feel the urge to repent of your sins you might be in danger of falling away from Christ with your heart. No healing ministry or discipleship is worth more then walking with a honest and sincere relationship with Christ.
I often feel urged to ask God to forgive me when I sin, even though I believe he already carried my sins. Not that I try to earn my forgiveness, but rather so God can purify and cleanse my heart from wickedness.
Hi Steve, can you help me with John 20:23? here forgiveness still seems to be conditional even after the cross.
ReplyDeleteI know this is old thread but I hope you might be able to bring some clarity.
ReplyDeleteThis all seems to make sense(I've read through it 3 times) however a lot of disturbing thoughts and questions come to mind. I'd really like to understand this better.
1. I'm not understanding about Luke 11:2-4 being Old Covenent. Wouldn't he have needed to show them how to make a burnt offering as well to atone the sins that were prayed for. Communion and baptism were also exemplified in pre-resurection.
2. What becomes our purpose of prayer? Would we need to pray for anything since the things we pray for are already "done"; as far as GOD is concerned.
3. Would our LORD be insulted just for asking for forgivness since the "offence of asking" is already forgiven without asking? I really came to understand our intent was more important than our words.
I was led to this site by searching "1 John 1:9, misunderstandings" I had been reading something that used this very doctrine to imply that if you sinned after you were saved, that you had NOT in fact recieved the light of GOD.
My soul is earnesly seeking the word but comprehension starts to become it's own "yoke" as the 20-21st century Church Doctrine dissection reveals that two millennium of Christians have "been so wrong". Most of us believers don't have a Degree in Biblical Studies. Prayer seems such a simple matter to learn, just talking to our Heavenly Father, but alas, we learn there are rules to that as well.
Hope you can are able to bring some clairity to these questions.
thanks
Then how do you explain Acts 8:22. Didn't Peter tell Simon to pray to God for the forgiveness? Also please read Acts Chapter 5 about Ananias and Sapphira. I also would like to mention that the name Ananias actually means "Jehovah has graciously given", but yet Ananias was judged. God judges the sin for HIS nature is Holy. So let's not go overboard with "no need to ask forgiveness" preaching. Asking God to forgive you when you have sinned or acted unrighteously does NOT mean Jesus's work on the cross is unfinished or insufficient. His death means is that I can now go straight to God's throne and say I am sorry. And HE will forgive me no matter how bad the sin is and will remember it no more. Unlike in the Old Testament where you would have to sacrifice a scapegoat in your place.
ReplyDeleteSo your view then is that the cross didn't bring forgiveness but only the potential to be forgiven?
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