One of the biggest misunderstandings about sin is that God punishes us for the wrong things we do. There certainly are many verses in the Bible that seem to suggest that at first glance, but the fact is that there is another way of understanding these verses than many of us have considered.
Nobody's interpretation of the Bible comes from a place of neutrality. Every one of us, despite all effort to avoid it, tend to understand what the Bible says based on preconceived ideas we already have. When a person says, "I just believe what the Bible plainly teaches," they are either showing a lack of understanding about the matter or else are putting their arrogance on display. To know what the Bible says is one thing, but to come to conclusions about what it means is another. One guy wrote me and said that he doesn't try to interpret the Bible but just accepts what it plainly says. That kind of perspective is so shallow it's hard to even know how to respond. We all interpret everything we hear or read everyday of our lives. Otherwise, the words would have no meaning to us but would only be nonsensical sounds.
Because many Christians have wrongly imagined the nature of God in a way that they see Him primarily as a Judge who is meticulously supervising their behavior to watch for moral infractions that need to be punished, they read the Bible from that starting point. To them, a "just" God equals one who is quick to drop retribution on wrongdoing and wrongdoers.
Others of us don't begin at that place. The starting point from which we understand the Bible is our view of God as Love. We see Him coming to Adam in love after his sin in the garden and believe that's how He approaches all of us all the time. After all, if the man whose choice brought sin upon all didn't experience God's anger, what makes us think we will? After Adam sinned, God came to him for his daily walk, not to obliterate Him with divine anger and judgment.
Is punishment associated with sin? Absolutely, but the punishment comes from the sin itself, not from God. The wages of sin is still death but it's the sin that brings the death and not our God. To the contrary, He is a life-giver.
I'm certainly not minimizing the seriousness of sin. Sin destroys! The point that is important though is that Jesus saves! He delivers us from sin and gives us life instead. God hates sin but it isn't because He has a hypersensitivity to evil that repels Him. He defeated sin! He hates sin because of what it does to those He loves.
"But doesn't God discipline His children?" somebody recently wrote me. The answer is, "Yes, He does but we need to make sure we know the difference between punishment and discipline." Punishment is retribution. It's payback. Punishment has no redemptive value for the one experiencing it. Discipline is another matter. The root of the word "discipline" is "disciple," a word that means "a learner."
So, our Father will lovingly allow us at times to experience the painful consequence of sinful choices in order to teach us. He wants us to learn that when we try to find fulfillment by doing our own thing, it is a dead-end road. Literally. He wants us to see that it is only "in His presence [that we find] fullness of joy" (Psalm 16:11). When discipline comes to us, it isn't payback and it isn't because our Father is angry with us. It is because He loves us and doesn't want to see us repeat the same actions that would cause us to eventually decline and wither into a wasted, destroyed life if He didn't discipline us so that we'd know better.
So is there punishment for sin? Yes, sin definitely carries a penalty but that punishment is inherent in sin - not in our Loving God. "The wages of sin is death BUT the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 6:23).
I thank God we can be teachable and be taught by God to learn from the consequences of our sinful choices BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT. If man is involved God is still Sovereign and will show the truth to us to set us free. God disciplines sons. Great truth that sin has it's own payback and God is not into punishment. We need to determine to believe the Word over every other voice. God convinces. He doesn't convict or condemn His children. Steve I'm getting richer in Christ reading your books and blog. Keep it up.
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ReplyDeleteWouldn't discipline be a greater good and more allowably healing word than 'punishment' in saying God's allowing bad things to occur sometimes like in God putting enmity between her seed and the devil's?..and in those disciplines that have followed? Even including that word, punishment with love is absurd, or is God into S & M? Hebrews 12 tells it like it should be in being told to me. My Dad never punished me in anger. If he did he cooled off extremely quick. In love from God the real miracle is that His love is not easily angered I Corinthians 13:5! Dave Candel
ReplyDeleteSteve - I said "it seems to me" so I am not stating it as fact just my opinion. I gave three specific examples of what looks like God doing something (which looks like what I would call punishment). Again I think the punishment that God dealt out here was done in love and was for their good but it 'seems' pretty clear to me that it was God that did it and it was not punishment coming from the sin itself. Rather than be insulted please show me how you understand this differently and why I should not come to the conclusion I do. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteI do think God does administer discipline and correction, but not in the way that most think.
ReplyDeleteSo how does God discipline one of his children?
In love. Correction by the Father, Son and Spirit will never leave you damaged, discouraged, diminished, belittled, confused, feeling less loved, feeling separated, feeling alienated, disconnected, fearful, ashamed or alone. If whatever action, person, teaching, doctrine, decision or feeling that you ascribe to His "correction" leaves you with any of the aforementioned states of mind you can be sure that that correction or discipline was not from God.
His correction will always leave you encouraged, uplifted, clear of mind, feeling loved, feeling His presence, feeling connected, unafraid, unashamed and not alone. His correction will always build you up, not tear you down. His correction will always bring light where there was shadow, peace where there was strife and clarity where they was confusion. His correction will always lead to restoration, always make you feel more loved, not less loved.
The correction and discipline that God administers in not like that of an angry or disappointed parent or teacher. His correction is like being bathed in love, helping us to see a better way to live and walk in partnership with Him.
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ReplyDeleteSteve - I am sorry that you have read my posts the way that you have. There was no intent to insult you. I thought I cleared it up in the second post and did not really think an apology was needed because I did not think I was accusing you of anything just giving my opinion. To be honest I still do not understand why you are insulted but I am sorry that what I wrote communicated this to you and will try to do a better job in the future of choosing my words. I think you would say that I am reading the Bible wrong because I see that God has a direct role in the punishment in Genesis 3. I do not think you need to apologize for that view and I am not offended that you might feel that way. Again that is why I said that it "seems to me". It does not mean that I am right. But I really do not want to lose sight of my question because it is a genuine question and I would like to hear you response. I have been wrong on many things and certainly do not want to continue believing something false when you might have an answer. I don't know how these comments work so I am not sure how you can do this. Perhaps you can edit my original comments to eliminate what was insulting and then answer it or perhaps do another blog on this or send a response directly to me at jnapier11@yahoo.com. Thanks. Jeff
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ReplyDeleteWas reading Roman eight in Sunday School the other day and am glad creation will one day be liberated from its bondage to decay into new heavens and new earth like the children of God's liberty. Like a cocoon and a butterfly from a worm struggles to emerge "we will be changed" "in a moment". Awesome blog Steve. Much acclamation for affirming the integrity of God's love and discipline. They both complement His Invisible attributes referencing Romans 1:19-31.
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